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Van Gogh
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This just tears too deep into my gut...
by Van Gogh inas i am struggling with maintaining my own sanity and very fundaments of existence after recently swiftly cutting all ties with with whatever i held to be dear, sacred and true, for what will have been most of my life...; .
after learning about some disturbing developments in someone else's life, i reconnected with somebody from my past through the amazing internet again, telling i had left for ever and for good.
this is a former elder, somebody i considered to be very successful in life... despite the borg.
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Ballistic Does America
by ballistic inhey guys,.
i can't spend long but just want to say what a great time i'm having in america.
i'm in the middle of a thunder storm in manhattan, new york at the moment.
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Hi balz bri,
You sure come a long way in the great US of A since barby WSM...
Driving toward limitless horizons...
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This just tears too deep into my gut...
by Van Gogh inas i am struggling with maintaining my own sanity and very fundaments of existence after recently swiftly cutting all ties with with whatever i held to be dear, sacred and true, for what will have been most of my life...; .
after learning about some disturbing developments in someone else's life, i reconnected with somebody from my past through the amazing internet again, telling i had left for ever and for good.
this is a former elder, somebody i considered to be very successful in life... despite the borg.
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Van Gogh
An old pair of shoes versus fighting for the light... Ultimately none of us should die in a lie... all of your treasured comments up till now will be savored in the spirit of ultimate survival somehow...
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Intro and ? that has probably been asked a zillion times...
by Swamboozled ini don't want to bore with the tedious details...but long story short: my husband was raised a jw.
he da and married me 6 years ago.
i was so appalled at the fact that his family shunned him that i insisted on a sit down with his mom to explain.
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Van Gogh
Swamboozled,
I for one hope you, as a newby, will stick around on JWD...
Gary:
Things I've learned.
Arguing with a Jehovah's Witness is like being in a pissing contest with a skunk.
Never talk religion or Bible with a Jehovah's Witness.
Never Question a Witness.
Witnesses act as if they believe God lives in Brooklyn.
Witnesses only have two rules:
Rule#1. Always treat the Governing Body as if they're never wrong.
Rule#2. If the Governing Body is ever wrong, see rule #1.
Love ya Gary, as astute as ever...
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I'm Sorry
by Lo-ru-hamah inyesterday, my mother, sister, son (3 year old) and i were shunned for the first time by someone that it actually hurt to be shunned by.
my little brother, who is still a very active jw, told us that he will never see us again.
he won't speak to us, write us, or communicate with us again.
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Van Gogh
Loruhamag,
This HURTS - big time. Words fail... yet again.
I still remember playing the Brenda Lee single on the portable grammophone we had at home thirty five years ago... It still holds a profound emotional significance to me. What a great song. Yes, I am sorry too...
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Intro and ? that has probably been asked a zillion times...
by Swamboozled ini don't want to bore with the tedious details...but long story short: my husband was raised a jw.
he da and married me 6 years ago.
i was so appalled at the fact that his family shunned him that i insisted on a sit down with his mom to explain.
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Van Gogh
Welcome swamboozled,
I for one hope you'll stick around on JWD longer than most newbies do...
VG
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This just tears too deep into my gut...
by Van Gogh inas i am struggling with maintaining my own sanity and very fundaments of existence after recently swiftly cutting all ties with with whatever i held to be dear, sacred and true, for what will have been most of my life...; .
after learning about some disturbing developments in someone else's life, i reconnected with somebody from my past through the amazing internet again, telling i had left for ever and for good.
this is a former elder, somebody i considered to be very successful in life... despite the borg.
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Van Gogh
As I am struggling with maintaining my own sanity and very fundaments of existence after recently swiftly cutting all ties with with whatever I held to be dear, sacred and true, for what will have been most of my life...;
after learning about some disturbing developments in someone else's life, I reconnected with somebody from my past through the amazing internet again, telling I had left for ever and for good. This is a former elder, somebody I considered to be very successful in life... despite the bOrg.
This was his reply:
"I too am learning the pangs of loneliness. Being disfellowshipped was a very dramatic event whilst I sat there emotionless. To have it said that 'XXXX XXXXXX is no longer a Jehovah's Witness actually tore deep in my stomach and I think I am still trying to understand my reaction. I do know that for all it's faults (people) that it is the truth, it's the place where I learned about Jehovah, where I learned about the purpose in life and also where I learned the hope for a future where I can see Dad again. I hopefully will be strong enough to deal with myself and get back at some time but right now I am having a break. Honestly, on my first morning in my apartment an elder from the local congregation called on me in the service and then having coffee in a cafe yesterday and four sisters offer me a tract - it's like I need to wear a banner that says 'I am disfellowshipped - leave me alone!'. To be honest I am very lonely and alone, but have been for many years. I do think I have mental issues and am seeing a shrink to see if I can get help.
XXXX is as lovely as ever. We are still very close friends whilst we are both at heartbreak point. Our little boy is dealing with the whole scene pretty well so far.
I was very saddened to hear that you had chosen to leave the truth, I always remember a CO telling us that he was in the truth despite the brothers and sisters. I hope that you have found a better way of life that works for you, you need to be happy.
Please keep in touch."
I am not sure if I will be able to react to any of your replies. It just hurts too much... I too loved his dad, more so, since leaving dubdom - I still share his hope, despite the fact that faith seems to be slipping through my fingers fast. The bOrg consists of so many special people. How much from my very gut I hope his hope to still have some validity. What can I do or say? Why destroy someones hope when losing just that is what is destroying me right now...?
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if an atheist does something good...
by DannyBloem in.
if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?
what's your thoughs on this?
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Tetra:
"they could stop worrying about the so-called difference between these abstractions that we call "good" and "bad", "right" and "wrong"."
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Who are you looking for?
by Effervescent indo you find yourself scanning the posts of new ones here hoping in the back of your mind that it's a friend or relative who has finally "seen the light"?.
there are several people i am always watching for.... my best friend from high school, the only friend i was allowed to have since she was the only girl my age in the kh.
and my brothers... extremely bright and intelligent guys, but very wrapped up in gaining my fathers and the congregations approval.
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Many Dutch (or continental) dubs just aren't proficient enough in the English language or idiom to have access to most "apostate" material - whether in print or on-line. So no, I'm afraid I for one will not encounter many.
Interestingly, the E-watchman site for some reason is fully translated and available in Dutch. Its Dutch discussion board, "Paradise Cafe", has been detached from it though, but still mainly caters for the kind of Christian exdubs that are halfway stuck in JW interpretation and eschatology. -
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if an atheist does something good...
by DannyBloem in.
if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?
what's your thoughs on this?
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I agree Dan.
It seems to me that if you are genuinly not blindly hiding behind a God - or anybody else's opinion for that matter - as a justification for your morals, your motives could be the purer for it, based as they will be on sound autonomous reasoning. The latter could of course be even better evidence of a divine legislator. But morals never solely arise from within, and are always based on outside influences.
"Survival of the fittest" in the end will not be considered a valid source for generally accepted morals. The concept of justice is a hallmark of human consciousness and alien to the animal world, though people have been known not to be able to even fully live up to standards set by animals.